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washington and this is cnn it's monday, april 15, right now on cnn this morning, donald trump about to experience >> what he tried to avoid for so long, a criminal trial, trump's attorneys attempting to use the hush money trial as an argument for delaying his classified documents case israel ready to strike back after an attack by iran until the prime minister got a phone call from president biden it's 6:00 a.m. here in washington also, 6:00 a.m. in new good morning, everyone. i'm sure picasa and for kasie hunt, it's great to be with you on this monday. in the meantime, israel is vowing to exact a price after a ron's large-scale aerial assault over the weekend. israel's war cabinet set to meet in about an hour from now how do i discuss how to respond to us and other members of the united nations security council urging israel to use restraint. president

biden pledging an ironclad commitment to israel's security, but he has also made it clear the us will not participate in any offensive operations against iran. cnn's jeremy diamond has live in jerusalem with war jeremy, good morning >> good morning. jim. israel's war cabinet is set to meet it in about an hour from now to discuss a potential response. the military response to it runs large scale and over theeekend. we know thatel yesterday the war cabinet met for nearly five hours deliberating, debating what israel's response should be. an ending that meeting ultimately without coming up with a decisio i'm told by an israeli official that the decision effectively hingeon questions of timing and of scale. how big should israel go in its response to iran and to what? sense with tt riskthe possibility of escalating this conflict even further has yet

to be determined by the israeli war cabinet, whether this will be more of a msured response or more of an all out response from the israeli military. in the meantime, jim, i'm told that the israeli military has been tasked with coming up with additional options for these really work, having it to consider as it moles next steps, this response from iran was the first, this attack by iran is the first time that they have carried out an attack from iranian soil directly on israeli soil. and in the days before this attacks is leaders made very clear that such an attack would result in an israeli attack on iranian soil. but now the question is, what will they do? and to what extent this could potentially escalate the situation further, jim >> all right. jeremy diamond. thank you very much. we appreciate it. >> and just a >> few hours or mao history will unfold in a new york city courtroom where donald trump becomes the first former president to stand trial. on criminal charges, jury selection starts this morning. the search for 12 impartial new yorkers and alternates expected

to take a week or more prosecutors alleging trump falsified business records to hide the reimbursement of hush money payments to adult film star stormy daniels, payments that were allegedly made to influence the outcome of the 2016 in election. the former president trying to make the case that he's going on trial for the american people >> the entire world will witness the commencement of the very first biden drought are all biden trials. you know that right? and i'm proud to do it for you. have a good john white but what i walk into that courtroom, i know i will have the love of 200 million americans behind and i will be fiting for the freom of 325 million american let's bring a cnn senior legal analyst, elie honig, seen in politics, senior reporter stephen collinson, republican strategist, mac or menn, and former biden white >> house communications director kate bedingfield guys, busy morning, busy day.

elleithee. we've got to look last week at the jury questionnaire >> yeah. >> how are they looking to root out the candidates? mean this is gonna be a challenge for these prosecutors. i just takes one person to grind this to a whole. >> it's gonna be a challenge both ways. first of all, from trump's perspective this is not a great jury pool for him, right? this is manhattan only know bronx, no broken, no queens, though. stanton out of manhattan only burleigh county where? donald trump got 12% of the vote in 2020. so he's worried about that, but you're right, prosecutors. i've been in this situation are terrified about one lone juror sneaking through who could hang a jury. you need all 12 in order to convict. the questionnaire is really interesting because what the questionnaire is trying to do is get at first of all, which way do you lean and it doesn't come out? just ask it. i kinda wish it did just say like did you vote for a or b or are you republican or democrat? but there's all these other proxies for that. have you ever participated in political activity for or against trump? have you ever contributed that

kind of thing >> what he >> asks a couple of more questions, it says, whatever what you lean can you still be impartial in this case now some people are going to say i can't hey, impartial. i just leaned too strongly. that's it. and they're going to be out. but then there's gonna be a lot of people who say, i do have feelings, but i can put those aside and still be impartial. and that's where the instinct kicks in. that's where the judge is going to have to ask, do i believe this person and more importantly, the parties who have a limited number, ten each ten strikes each. they're going to have to make the decision do we use one of those ten precious strikes to remove this particular person? it's a guessing game. yeah. and how long did this take? >> so the estimates are about a week. this is state court federal jury selections much quicker federal jury selection when i pick juries, it was a day, maybe two at most, state jury selection. first of all, it's a slower process. it's more individualized. also. >> remember the defense but and here's donald trump. >> so >> people are going to have many more preconceived notions about him than your average defendants. so i'm putting the over under a week. yeah. and steven, i mean, in terms of jury selection, you write in your latest piece that trump appears to be gleaning and understanding that his fate as

now out of his hands sun will be in those of 12 anonymous citizens who you will not be allowed to bully, persuade we're politicized. i mean, that is a very interesting way of putting it mean, you know, he throws his weight around. i know this just about everywhere he goes hard to do that in a courtroom, >> right. and his >> entire political persona, his entire business persona, has always been based on him being the big man in any room using the force of his vote we'll counting personality to intimidate people, to get his own way to spin things in his own direction, in the court of law, he is not be able to do this and we've seen this actually in the e jean carroll libel case and in the civil case the fraud case up in new york. when the judge basically told trump's lawyers, can you control your client so while trump's strategy of making this a narrative of persecution works in a political sense, at

least among republican voters, when you come to the standard of evidence and the and procedure in a courtroom it doesn't work quite so well. >> all right. interesting. are guys stay with us. i'm going to take a quick break. we got more to talk about this, kate mat, don't go anywhere coming up new york state police officers gun down during a traffic stop, plus more on trump's strategy in the hush money case as it gets underway this morning, that's coming >> from tried and true to try something new so many ways to save life. ready wallet, happy. >> that's 360 by whole foods market. >> our biggest challenge uncertainty, hidden fees,

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issues that he has flouted. but as a political matter, i think anytime you are on trial and you are testifying on your own behalf and a trial that is not a helpful thing that is not persuasive to general election. voters. it's maybe persuasive to his mouth megabase that is shown time and again that they are absolutely die-hard for him regardless of what he does but the mega-base alone isn't enough to get him to 270 electoral votes. and so anytime the backdrop for him is a courtroom and his potentially criminal proceedings on just on trial here. i think that that's not a good thing for him. so if he so maybe the right legal strategy. i don't know. i defer to the legal eagles on that, but politically, i think that will be deeply problematic for him and will be a great contrast for the biden campaign to seize on. yeah. >> and matt, i mean, the conventional wisdom is that oh, this case is not as damaging. this case is not the fani willis case or the january 6 case, even the classified documents case. but let's take a look at some of this polling you're 55% of registered voters, say trump conviction in

this case would not impact their vote among independents, that number is 58% i mean, i just have to wonder, i mean, just to any conviction that's never good >> i mean, >> i used to say just being indicted on something as bad for a political candidate, but a conviction >> look, i think a couple of things these are notoriously hard to pull. i mean, for example, let's pretend it's late september 2016 and you're reading off to a poll out to a voter, a hypothetical well, that essentially would be what if trump said what he said on an access hollywood tape, you would expect to the polls to go down, right? in reality, when these things actually happen, it's, it's always a very different thing. so i think that's what the trump campaign, i think what you're probably seeing some of these polls but that being said right, time is finite. and so when you're sitting in a courtroom in manhattan, you're not in michigan, pennsylvania, arizona, georgia. >> so how >> trump is able to leverage campaigning from in and around a courtroom is going to be key.

and i think to katie's point, a little bit, when he goes and he talks about testifying on the stand, his audience is enough to juror i think that's one important thing to remember. that this whole process, if you're trump, your audience is not the jurors it's the american people and it's the voters, and that's what he's trying to talk to. >> all right. guys stay with us. we've got lots more to talk about coming up soon. israel's war cabinet will meet to decide exactly how to respond to iran's attacks. and next, donald trump trying to use the beginning of one of the criminal cases let's delay hey, the progress of another. we'll talk about that district >> cnn central today. it's mr. cracked windshield schedule would say flight and will come to you to fix it. this customer was enjoying her morning walk. we texted her when we were on our way and seek it practice and see exactly when we derive a few we came to her with service that fit her schedule. you must be nice to meet you. >> we got right >> to work with a reply placement. she could trust

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deadline for reviewing classified evidence in the case because trump, quote as a constitutional right to be present at the trial in new york, and as a result, cannot participate in the work relating to important parts of his defense. special counsel jack smith, responding sunday night arguing unquote each time the court sets a new deadline in this case and attempts to keep moving it toward trial. the defendants reflexively ask for an adjustment that must stop my panelists back with me now, elie, i mean, how might you push on one side, pulls on the other ivy. it is kind of a big mess of of course, donald trump is doing exactly this. i mean, anyone in his position would be doing this. you'll four indictments. the goal here clearly is to push them off towards until after for the election as it should be strategically. so let's do the math here. this trial is going to take him out for april and may, and that doesn't really leave us with that much time for the other ones trump's team is correct here. he does have a right to assist in his own defense. he does have a right to prepare for each trial

individually. you can chain smoke these trials and have what end on a friday and the next one start on the following monday. he does have a right to prepare for them and so i think we need to be careful here, like, of course, he's trying to delay, but it is fair for him to say, look, i'm on trial, i'm in manhattan court. everyday essentially for the next two months. and so i am mike legal team can focus on the other stuff. you have to be all in on the case in front of you. so i actually don't think this is an outrageous request by him. >> yeah, steven, i mean, the classified documents case is the one you talk to people like george conway they will say this is the fastest way for donald trump to end up in an orange jumpsuits. is this classified documents case? i mean, the process object as ellie was saying that this case a manhattan could delay the classified documents case. i have to assume that that has to make jack smith's blood boil. >> right. and he's having a lot of trouble right now. he's also facing the delaying tactics in the other case, the federal election case, which the trump team has been very successful definitely push back

out there that yeah, the supreme court and the classified documents case, i think it's difficult for people outside washington to maybe get their heads around, how serious it is. but if you talk to anybody that was served, for example, in the government, anybody you talk to in the white house, you go out for coffee with someone the warehouse first thing they do is they turn that blackberry over because everyone is deeply conscious of the responsibility of handling classified information that clearly is not something that bothered the former president too much given the way that he hoarded this stuff down at mar-a-lago. but this is a very serious case. i don't know have you ever had a client has had for concurrent massive cases at one time. so while trump is yeah. while trump is delaying, as you say, his using the protections of the legal system, which he often decries, which is quite a rally just to answer your question, in 14 years as a prosecutor, federal they ever

saw a defendant? i mean, i either dealt directly with are supervised thousands of defendants may be sometimes you'd see someone who had two to pending indictments, but i've never seen more than that. now, we've got four and so there's a lot piled on trump. he has a right to defend themselves there's times when i think his defenses have crossed the line. there's times when i think has defenses have been disingenuous, but i do think we need to be careful. he does have a right. his liberty is at stake. they're trying to lock him up. he's allowed to fight, he's allowed to fight hard when there's also the the notion that if the prosecutors are going to take as long as they have taken that to that, this is one of the risks that you run into. they've left themselves with such little runway here that if and when, two or three of these cases get pushed after the election, look get merrick or look at the prosecutors? >> yeah. all right. guys, are more to talk about industry moment. stay with us on that. coming up to new york police officers killed on the job, the latest on this tragedy ahead, plus your live outside the courthouse where for the first time ever as we've been saying i've donald trump that if former us president will stand trial and criminal charges that is coming up

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for engine grass is outside the courthouse in lower manhattan. brynn, what can you tell us what are their folks down there yet? i guess it's pretty early. what can you tell us? >> yh, pretty early gym they're alreadyrotester seing up, tting up their assigns at this point, we do expect a big crowd here. both protesters and supporters. the former president, expected to be he, or least leave trump tower at about 8:30, wl be led by the secret svice. of courshere to the courthouse whereou just said it, jury selection is going to begin. let me walk you through how that works here in lower manhattan at the cminal court, 500 people will report fojury duty. now, not all of those people are for this case in particular, there's other cases that they will be disbursed to, but 100 people at a time will be brought into the courtroom. we're judge juan sean is and immediately were told that if they have any sort of conflict with this six to eight long expected trials like childcare or some other conflict there immediately going to be dismissed after that group is vetted out. there

are going to be 42 questions that are going to be asked of these jurors and these like wheth they have attendengs or worked, a rally up for the former president, where do they get their news? do they have any affiliation with the fringe groups like q. or the proud boys. and after those questions are vetted out, then each sayyed the prosecution and trumps sayyed, they get to have ten strikes against any of the jerk these jurors. so this process is going to take a while. of course, they need to find an impartial jury of 12 people and six alternates to make up this jury. so it's going to take awhile. we are expecting jury selection to last about a week, possibly even into two weeks. and then of course that's when this trial, this historic trial, is going to begin. >> jim all right. branching live in new york, forrest. thank you very much. ahead of today's trial, here's what donald trump posted online last night. yes, he posted he said tomorrow morning, i'll be in criminal court. i'll be fighting for myself, but much more importantly, i will be

fighting for our country election interference like this has never happened in usa before, and hopefully it will never happen again. my panel is back and jameel jaffer joins us. he's a former counsel to the assistant attorney general for national security and former associate counsel to president george w bush. obviously when trump says election interference it's like this has never happened before that's not true. >> yeah >> but i mean, he's going to blow v8 online. he can't do that in a courtroom. he can't do that with this judge or else there could be consequences. no doubt there could be consequences, but he's going to use this trials an opportunity to say, look, this isn't about stormy daniels, this isn't about care medulla. this is about donald trump and about effort to keep me out of the white house. this is going to be political hay for him across the board. it's going to motivate his maga base. it's going to, it's going to lay out the claim that this is all about alvin bragg and politics, not about real problems. these business records, why are we

talking about business records? he's going, to say, while we talk about things are treated misdemeanors, these aren't really felonies. this is all bootstrap case. that's what his argument. it's gonna be all about politics, not about the law and not other hush money payments. >> yeah. i mean, steven to bounce off of is your meals point there. i mean, you know, he is going to push the boundaries. i mean, that's what donald trump does. i have to thank and it does raise this prospect. well, what does the judge do with this? what does he do about this? i mean, trump a lot people thought, oh, the mug shot, that's gonna be the end. we hear this 100 million times. there's going to be the end of it. i wonder if he wants to push the envelope just a lit >>he judge has to keep order in his own courtroom, and this is true with any client, any defendant.ut the fact that is donald trump, a former famous man in thworld, mes the stakes for this a whole loh find the former president if he doesn't, t line in the civil case againhe judge was very

keeno stop trump turning the courtroom into another stage of the campaign trail probably will be the same in this situation, but these judges in these cases are in massive public scrutiny and it's not just what happens in this case, but they're going to be looked at throughout generations to carve about how they handle these crucial issues. >> yeah, man, i mean, how do you see this playing out? i mean, we've seen the campaign trail become the courtroom. the courtroom become the campaign trail. this is what donald trump wants to do with all of this, and you have to think this is all sort of rattling around in the back of his mind that he wants to provoke things. he wants to see what you can get away with. he wants to see if he can capitalize on this. >> absolutely. it goes back. i point that his audience here is not the jurors. he's not interested really in totally making sure there's decorum of the courtroom. it's he wants to get elected. and i think number two, one thing also keep in mind is two. here's a fundraising gap to make up with joe biden democrats. so a lot of what he's been doing last month, whether it's involving

the court cases are not are ways that he can raise money from his base. so as we progress through here, things he does things. he says it's an important to keep that in mind. here's a fundamentally different incentive structure and the judge and the other court officers than almost any other defendant in history. >> yeah. i mean, if you're the biden folks, do you want to see donald trump behave themselves or do you want him to turn this into even more of a circus and potentially pay the consequences for, oh, i think you want it to be a circus i mean, anytime the narrative is focused on donald trump, that's inherently good thing for the biden when campaign we saw it over the course of the last week in the wake of the abortion decision and arizona. and again, i think anytime donald trump is in the courtroom defending his behavior, that is not a good thing for donald trump. mean, remember, throughout the republican primary process, we saw a significant number of republicans vote for nikki haley, refused to vote for donald trump mean there are his, his maga base is strong, but they are there numerically, they're not going to get them there. so anytime he's out,

sort of making the most bombastic donald trump arguments, i think that's probably a good thing for the biden campaign. the other thing to remember here is, you know, we've been talking about these cases stacked up on top of each other. and obviously the legal implications russians of that. but there are, there are political implications of the accumulation of these events over the last, what now, eight years the story. >> one thing we haven't seen is a conviction. we haven't seen that. >> well, but this too, but think about think about pete in people's minds. i mean, when the stormy daniels case first emerged, we hadn't had january 6, right now, if you're the average american voter thinking about who do i want to send to the white house? you have the backdrop of january 6 and your mind, i mean, that is that is part of the picture of donald trump's behavior and potential criminality in your mind. so i think the biden campaign will probably continue to focus on their core message about what joe biden second term will look like abortion is broader issue of democracy, they're not going to be focused. i would expect on the ends and outs of what's going on in the courtroom. but

it will be beneficial to them to have donald trump on display in this way. >> yeah, and cheerio, i mean how big how big is the spotlight on alvin bragg right now, i mean, we've been talking about this. this may be the only case it's that goes to trial before the election and for folks out there who want to see donald trump. finally, pay some kind of a price suffer the consequences for once in his life. >> this baby, it i think that's right. and i think the >> we're right on alvin bragg, centrally focused on him and the problem is, and the benefit for donald trump is hello, alvin bragg says this is all about the politics he ran on prosecuting me. now he's an officer, he's doing it. he's bootstrapping this case. he's calling these felonies he doesn't he doesn't explain what the underlying legal issue is that he's prosecuting me for. right. these are just records violations and eight, i think the challenge with i think hates pointing is that look at this is me a turnout election, right if trump gets model-based out, it might not be enough to win him the

election. but if he gets enough of them out, that can move the numbers. it's gonna be a very close election. it's going to be about turnout. and if he motivates that base, that's real problem in this case will out and motivate that base. and that's the real challenge i think well is that that we know that trump has a ceiling. i mean, he essentially is run for federal office twice. you essentially got 46% of the vote, both times, once it was enough to make him president, once it wasn't. we know is effectively at a ceiling. so it is a turnout election in the sense that yes, he has to get his maga folks out, but they've they've shown that they're gonna do it biden has biden is the one who has the room to grow. biden's the one who has the room to peel off some of these independence and turn them out? yeah, man, >> i was gonna say, yeah, we constantly talk about the couch being a problem for democrats. could the couch be a problem for republicans? well, i think i think first of all, you >> know, lads of >> last thing home because they're like, you i'm sick get this. i think the key is give me the people who hate both candidates and what do they do? do they stay home, do they pull, hold their nose and vote for one or the other? i mean, look, as we saw last week, also gentle came out with with a series of swing-state polls, trump's leading and six

have seven of them as we go into today and look that could change certainly gaps been shrinking >> absolutely yeah >> he's facing four indictments and he's leading and swing states. i mean, that's that's something i think what how the biden campaign leverages this and how the trump campaign led, because is candidly far more impactful, i believe will be the issue of abortion two republicans candidates both at the top of the ticket and down-ballot than these court cases, as it states ends today. >> steven people are people tuning this stuff out or you think when this gets going, everybody's gonna be watching. they're gonna say, you know what? okay. this, it's happening now. he's going on trial. >> well, one factors this is not going to be televised. the actual courtroom action. i think that is going to play a big role. it's not like trumbull come out after every court break and give his press conference, but i think that's gonna get old fairly quickly, but you bet, once there's a verdict, everyone's going to be tuning in. >> yeah.

>> just the fact that we're all sitting here gaming out how this trial could unfold politically may have to step back and realize this is a former president going on trial. no american has ever seen a former president go on trial. this is not the kind of thing that happens in stable democracies. it's i think testimony to the wild ride that trump has taken us all on over the last nine years. another norm crushed and we don't know how this will play out during the election. and in the years to come, what precedence have been created? i mean, trump has already said that if he's president, he's gonna go after the biden family legally >> there's no case >> as far as we can see to answer, but that that has changed the way presence interact with their predecessors. of all the cases that he's up against. folks might say might be able to say this is the most donald trump of all the cases that we're going to see go on trial art, guys. thank you very much. your meal thank you. coming up next sentencing de for the guns supervisor on the movie set of

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ballistic missiles from iran in yemen and majority leader steve scalise says the house has shifted its scheduled to consider a foreign aid package that's been stalled for weeks. cnn's katie bo lillis joins me now. katie bo i mean, the timing of all of this is fascinating to be in terms of how this is going to get unpacked up on capitol hill, this aid package, because before this past weekend, i mean, there are a lot of democrats who are very uneasy about giving more aid israel, but after for an attack by iran, that becomes more difficult challenge. i >> would think, well, that it also jim, i think there's a possibility here that iran has done ukraine a big favor here because of course, the stalled senate supplemental package that the senate has passed includes both aid for israel, including a lot of air defenses it's aid, the kind of aid that you would need to defend against exactly the kind of attack that just took place this weekend. it also includes a significant amount of assistance for ukraine and that's been the holdup are part of the holdup in the

house. and so if as you have seen already, you've already seen republican leaders in the senate sort of urging the house to go on to take up this package. i think if if house speaker mike johnson is sort of able to use the the urgency and the momentum here and just sort of take up the senate package and personal whole push, the whole thing through, right? like this could dramatically change the calculus on ukraine aid in in a very unexpected way that i don't think anyone necessarily, it's all coming. yeah. and president biden urging congress to pass additional funding for israel after a ron's weekend attack, the funding has been held up by some house republicans who are against, including ukraine aid in the package. but the white house is now saying the need is urgent. president biden spoke with congressional leaders on sunday, and here's how the white now it is characterize it says president biden convened a call to discuss a unprecedented attack against israel on the call, the president discussed the urgent need for the house of representatives to pass the national security supplemental

as soon as possible. now it's up to house speaker mike johnson to decide what to bring forward. he says he hopes the house passes additional israel aid this week. and my panel is back and katie bo just to just to follow up on this, i mean, the president said over the weekend, us support for israel is ironclad, but at the same time, he said to the prime minister, reportedly that the us might not get involved what if israel pursues and other offensive strike against iran >> what, >> what did you make of that when you saw that? i mean, it's hard to think that he would have done that had gaza not been going on >> remember the biden administration was caught off guard by this israeli attack in damascus that was sort of v immediate reason that iran launched this attack over the weekend, right? and in response to this israeli attack in syria that killed some senior iranian commanders, vitamin situation caught off guard by that any general, what they want to see is de-escalation, right? they do not want this to spiral into

a wider region. the regional conflict. and at the same time of course, they would like to see the netanyahu administration would like to see israel shrink their operations inside gaza and take a much, much more careful approach to civilian casualties, something that israel has essentially rejected, right? like we have seen a very deep rift in between netanyahu and biden. we have seen israel sort of actively defy the biden administration's wishes. so i think one of the big questions coming out of this weekend is the amount of support that the united states gave to israel in defending against this attack. does that by them any leverage in trying to urge the biden administration to take take a more restrained approach in gaza and to take a restraint approach in how it responds to iran i think that's a big open question, honestly, i mean, netanyahu under tremendous amount of pressure from his own right-wing to retaliate again against iran here. and so i

think we're just in this unwritten moments that is full of uncertainty. >> why and stephen, wu, one of the things that its early on a monday morning boat, we should appreciate an underlying is the fact that israel was i mean, just an incredible way able to along with the us and the uk, stop all of these missiles, rockets, and drones coming into israel. just an amazing feat on the part of the idf. and i have to think as katie bo was saying that what took place over the weekend is going to persuade a lot of democrats and republicans up on capitol hill to perhaps strip away some of the politics here and just get this aid done, right >> i think there's going to be a lot less torque of conditioning aid to israel, even though the administration makes a distinction between the front with iran, if you like, and what's going on in gaza. i think the g7 statement was significant yesterday that the president got all these leaders, including some of whom have been increasingly critical

of israel over what's happening in gaza. behind them, there were a few british and french assets involved in this operation. on the night of the attacks potentially that gives the president a chance to go to netanyahu and say, look you've alienated a lot of countries, but now they're behind you. >> don't squander that, but it looks a lot different inside israel that it does out in the outside world for countries that want to avoid escalation for many israelis, this is an existential threat that security has been shattered twice in the last six months on october 7, their sense of security, even though most of those missiles didn't land that plays with the politics in israel in history shows that when israel feels like it's security is an existential threat it acts whatever us says there was passed raids on nuclear reactors syria and iraq friction. >> people miss, miss that

point. sometimes that let people in israel, i mean, they're consuming news in israel and after october 7, they were consuming, obviously, everything that was taking place in israel after october 7, and they're doing that once again. kate, i mean, one of the questions i have this morning is we've seen this pretty frosty relationship sort of get frozen into place between the prime minister and the president >> might this >> i mean, what took place over the weekend, give that relationship perhaps i don't know. maybe a fresh start, maybe not totally fresh start, but well, look, i think i thin wh the preside biden and the white house and de administration did weekend was demonstrate onclad aegnce to israel. and i think the president has been unwavering about that since oober 7. and prior you know, i think he has grown increasingly frustrated with netanyahu. i would expect that you would continue to see him express that. i think and his team are working to try to get to a post-conflict plan. >> i won't en say

>> resolutiobecause that feels like too big a word, but they're trying to get to what is the post-conflict plan look like? they feel like netanyahu and his team have not come to the table in earnest on that. and we can't lose sight of the fact that that is what they're continuing to drive towards. so i would. imagine that he will continue to express his frustration with the way that prime minister netanyahu has, prosecuted this war but he is not going to stand down from helping our israeli ally ensuring that this conflict does not spiral into a bigger, broader conflict. so he's going to continue as you've been discussing think he's going to continue to push for the supplemental which he and his team have been aggressively pushing four from day one. and really the question now falls to speaker johnson and is he going to move forward on that? >> yeah. i mean that i mean, it's gonna be a lot harder to play politics with this, with all of those rockets and missiles and drones coming down on israel over the weekend. i mean, it it is a clarifying moment. >> and the key in my opinion, even before these attacks were when johnson got kinda bid

backing of donald trump, so to speak, down to mar-a-lago on friday, i thought that was very, very notable, and i think for now, even before these attacks, what you'll see is that something will pass, whether ukraine, israeli will pass the question now is how does it affect johnson? not before the election, but come november leadership elections, whether trump wins or loses, that's when this fight will be fought again, not necessarily right now. >> yeah. and even though you hope cooler heads prevailed when it comes to debating weighty subjects like those aid package at the same time, you have members of congress are thinking, i might get primary if i vote for this ukraine aid and that's where with one vote market is very tough. yeah. all right, guys. thanks. thank you very much. thanks for the great discussion this morning and all of it really appreciate it. turning back now to the historic de in new york city where the first criminal trial of an american president will begin. and just hours from now this weekend, former president donald trump attacked the judge and prosecutor. you will come face-to-face with this morning. >> bragg, alvin bragg is trying to do is enforce federal campaign finance law, which he doesn't have any authority

whatsoever to do on monday in new york city i will be forced to sit holy gag. >> i'm not allowed to talk. if you believe it. >> they want to take away my constitutional right to while the trial is likely to keep trump off the campaign trail, it is unlikely to hinder his fundraising efforts. trump raising money off the trtrail o off the trial, i should say over the weekend with emails warning that if there is not equal massive outpouring of peaceful patriotic protests, all hell will break loose joining me now is tim, timothy hay fee. he's the former lead investigator for the january 6 committee in a former federal prosecutor tim great to have you on a great to talk to you. what do you think of that language coming from trump? all hell will break loose. i mean, obviously it sounds reminiscent, but when we see that trump go down to the man and hatton courthouse, it's not like, you saw the crowd on the ellipse there waiting and lower manhattan

>> yeah. it's eerily reminiscent of the speech on the ellipse. and look, we've seen repeatedly that there's a bit of a collin response that happens between the former president and a lot of the people that zealously support him. and he knows that that kind of rhetoric is really incendiary and dangerous and throwing in peacefully and patriotically doesn't detract from the main message, which is outrage and very strong criticism of the process. >> the >> one difference is that we weren't really ready for that at the capital will be there'll be ready for that at the courthouse. they everybody knows that this is coming and i expect there will be a great deal of security apparatus in place to prevent any kind of violent, but it has the same effect. jim as he and he knows this that it has had repeatedly >> and tim, i guess, what what is your thinking on this if he goes over the edge during this case, would you like to see the judge? incarcerate him, send him a message, put him in jail

for a little bit to think about what what he's doing >> as a prosecutor >> as a prosecutor, i do think the rules auto apply evenly to everyone i look, the judge will give him a long leash here, but if he blatantly goes beyond the terms of the gag order and explicitly violates them. then there needs to be a consequence if the rule of law is to stand for anything that could be a fine, could be incarceration, as you said the best remedy to prevent those kind of prejudicial incendiary out-of-court statements this resolution to the case, the more he does this gym, the more he speaks out in public about the outrageousness of these cases, the more the prosecutors can use that to hasten their resolution. so the sooner we get through this and to the other side, the better and does it bother you at all, tim, that this is the case that's happening, that this may be the only case that happens because of all the delight tactics that have been

>> implemented successfully by donald trump. we might not see a january 6 case trump's trying to use this case to knock out the classified documents case and delay that. what do you think about all that? >> yeah. look, i mean, in orders of relative culpability or magnitude, i think that jan. sixth case that the federal case that jack smith has brought in washington is arguably the one most serious, the one that corresponds most closely to the work that i did, the work that the committee did and investigating the riot in the attack on the capitol, arguably, the most serious case should go first, but look, these are different judges in different different jurisdictions with different laws that apply. this was the first case that was brought, and it is relatively straightforward in terms of the simplicity of the issues and it's not i wouldn't write off the chance of a trial in the gen six case in the fall if the supreme court quickly disposes of the immunity argument as i in a lot of experts